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Sorry, sorry 'Night'? What do we think about 'NOT "The Departed"'?

Nicodemus — GMT

One of the hardest things for me to figure this season is whether We Own the Night is going to be a fair-sized hit, or a total friggin' dud. I was initially pretty high on this title, but after realizing how familiar / derivative it seemed to be, I embraced my de facto skepticism and ended up predicting a meager $33 million for the Phoenix-Wahlberg-Duvall film. I did end up taking it in the October-December "Regulars" league (Ultimate), but I haven't been very happy with this decision... Even at only $10, it seemed like a lot to bank on a very iffy prospect. However, today I'm not so sure. With approaching a thousand votes in the bank, We Own the Night has a VERY respectable 8.3 IMDb score, putting it right up there with season-best entries like Control, Lust, Caution and Lars and the Real Girl and ahead of well-received films like The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford, The Darjeeling Limited and Before the Devil Knows You're Dead. Although critical responses have been, to put it mildly, mixed (Variety's review, calling it "exceptionally conventional," was a study in minimalist praise and restrained enthusiasm The Hollywood Reporter similiarly concluded that the film was "overly familiar"; Rolling Stone called Night "defiantly, refreshingly unhip... daringly Shakespearean; and, famously, the film was booed at Cannes), its star power alone ought to help quell moviegoers' doubts -- surely this much bona fide talent wouldn't sign their names to a total piece of crap, they can be presumed to conclude, forgetting recent groaners like Pearl Harbor, The Mexican and The Brothers Grimm). And the film is sure to garner some praise, however canned and insincere, from the less-rigorous critics out there, like the irrepressible Gene Shalit or the milquetoast Leonard Maltin. However, all that being said, some buzz is beginning to build over We Own the Night. FOXNews.com has a front-page 'Pop Tarts' story hyping costar Eva Mendes's "no-hold-back" sex scenes with Joaquin Phoenix, and The New York Times recently ran a very flattering portrait of its helmer, James Gray, calling him "an auteur for a neglected New York" and comparing him, favorably, to Quentin Tarantino. The Times concludes that Night is a thriller "reminiscent of The French Connection". (Interestingly, James credits a Times photograph with having inspired the film.) So, what are we to believe? James acknowledges Night's debt to other familiar films, some classic, others recent (he signed an E-mail recently: "the greatest director of the B-version of ‘The Departed’ of our time"). Is it possible a film widely panned for its unoriginality will be embraced by Middle America? The Departed -- last year's Best Picture -- made over $132 million in a five-month theatrical run. Can We Own the Night rake in even half that amount? Your thoughts? I remain, as always... Nico.

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Chienfantome — GMT

Nico, it seems to me that other than the box-office potential of the film, there is no need of a debate over the question "Is We Own the Night an artistic dud ?". ;) One thing you totally forgot to mention in your overview is that James Gray is a very rare director (3 films in 13 years), but more importantly a very, very talented one. "Little Odessa" ??? "The Yards" ??? Two beautiful pieces of cinema that were reminders of the best crime dramas of the 70s. Friends, let me give you my honest opinion : I have yet to see it, but We Own the Night will probably be one of the best US films of the year, period. Contrary to the popular belief, the film was not desastruously received in Cannes. In fact, French critics praised it as one of the best films of the selection, and one of the most impressive american films of the last few months. This doesn't mean anything in terms of box-office possibilities, I know. And as you pointed out, Nico, will this film be capable of doing half of what The Departed made ? Of course not. The Departed was Scorsese, Nicholson, DiCaprio, Damon. As great as they are, Gray, Duvall and Phoenix aren't as popular as those. So if it's lucky, We Own the Night will gross 40, 45 million dollars. But I can't see it doing more. But for the last few days, I've wanted to integrate We Own in one of my leagues, but still haven't found a way to do so. But in my opinion, for $10, We Own has a lot to offer.

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Nicodemus — GMT

Responding...

...[ I ]t seems to me that other than the box-office potential of the film, there is no need of a debate over the question "Is We Own the Night an artistic dud ?"

[Nodding] Probably true. For that matter, potentially we here, being Fantasy Moguls gamers and not, you know, film producers (that I know of), would be better off ignoring the relative merits or flaws of films altogether, anyway, except as they impact IMDb and other vital statistics. But, I kind of like to debate, discuss and dissect... [Grin]

One thing you totally forgot to mention in your overview is that James Gray is a very rare director (3 films in 13 years), but more importantly a very, very talented one. "Little Odessa" ??? "The Yards" ??? Two beautiful pieces of cinema that were reminders of the best crime dramas of the 70s.

Yeah, I didn't so much forget as decide to ignore Gray's particulars... My postings are pretty lengthy anyway, and I just sort of assumed people either knew Gray's pedigree or were content with whatever information they already had at-hand. But, you're right, of course. Gray's a talent, although I think he'd be well counseled to begin broadening his resume at this point... Like M. Night Shyamalan, he's becoming quite the master of a very specific genre of film, but there are pitfalls to cornering the market in that respect: notably, that the public can all too easily assume you only have one club in your bag; and, entertainment tastes being cyclical and changeable, one day you may find yourself with a fiercely devoted cult following but no significant mainstream fan base to speak of. (Kevin Smith, anyone?) I also have to admit, I wonder what possible effect We Own the Night will have on that OTHER major period crime drama coming out this year, American Gangster. While certain genres are seemingly endlessly derivative and recyclable, I think we're beginning to see the danger in opening up against too-similar a film; look at The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford's relative obscurity, opening, as it were, in the shadow of 3:10 to Yuma. More and more, I'm beginning to think the one-two punch of Deep Impact and Armageddon was a fluke...

Contrary to the popular belief, the film was not desastruously received in Cannes. In fact, French critics praised it as one of the best films of the selection, and one of the most impressive american films of the last few months.

Interesting... was that story about the booing inaccurate, then, or overblown? It was very widely reported... Politics at work, maybe? Thanks for your contributions! I remain, as always... Nico.

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Chienfantome — GMT

Last May, after Cannes, I talked about the film with a friend of mine who saw We Own the Night at one of the press projections. When I told her I was surprised to read the film was booed, she was surprised and told me that no one booed the film at the projection she was in. It is true though that the film was booed at some point in another projection, but I clearly remember reading in one french newspaper that the "boos" where totally "misplaced" and incomprehensible. It is true that James Gray shouldn't let himself trapped into one genre (but the man recently announced that his next film, to be shot very shortly, would be a romantic comedy, who would have thought !?)... But in the case of Gray, I don't think the danger of his box-office potential is at the heart of the case, since neither Little Odessa nor The Yards attracted any US audience when released. But there is of course a risk of, how could I say, artistic fatigue in revisiting continuously the same genre. But at the same time, the greatest directors are either the ones who are able to make one masterpiece in every genre (Stanley Kubrick, Howard Hawks) or those who are continuously revisiting the same genre, or the same theme at the core of their oeuvre (Wong Kar Wai, Alfred Hitchcock, Jean-Pierre Melville). If Gray is able to add another great film in the "modern greek tragedy by the way of crime" genre everytime he touches a camera, we'll forgive him for not trying to diversify his cinematographic offerings. I know I will...

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tuan69 — GMT

Bless you Michael Bay. Armageddon is a masterpiece.

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Chienfantome — GMT

Tuan, what's this sotry with french booing The Fountain ? Where did you hear or read that ?? Are you sure of what you're saying ? Aronofsky's film wasn't in any french festival... As for the booing in Cannes, it's not necessarily the french you know... There are as much foreign journalists, film lovers and professionnals at Cannes than there are french :mrgreen: BUt you know, if we are big contestors, always ready to set up strikes and revolutions [grin], we don't boo films that much. We love films. We watch them religiously. We don't really boo them. Really.

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tuan69 — GMT

Bless you Michael Bay. Armageddon is a masterpiece.

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Chienfantome — GMT

You got it just right, Tuan, it's those damn italians :mrgreen: How can you mix up Cannes and Venezia ? :wink: I was sure Ratatouille would be a big hit in France. $60M is big tuan. In fact it's pretty huge. In fact I think Rataouille is still in the weekly Top 5 of French Box-office after 10 weeks of release (can you imagine how many Top 5 points that would make lol). In terms of entries, Ratatouille just passed by 7 million entries last week, which makes it the number 1 film at the french box-office in 2007, way ahead of Spidey, Shrek, Pirates and all those big sequels. It's almost sure to finish number 1 at the end of the year. It should finish between 7.5 and 8 million entries, making it the second best Pixar score in France, right behind Nemo which made a bit more than 8 million. I'm glad it's such a good film that triumphs at the box-office this year in France.

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numbersix_99 — GMT

Yeah, who can forget when Tarantino won for Pulp Fiction, and some (French?) critic called him a bastard when he won. Or poor Richard Kelly whose Southland Tales was awfulyl booed But bless those in Cannes who laughed their way through Armageddon As for The Fountain, it's the kind of film that some loathe and some adore. Personally, I'm with Tuan, it's a beautiful film, maybe a little pretentious, but nevertheless it aspired to be something new, something different, which most modern films don't. Back to We Own- I think it is decent value for money, in that it will exceed expectations made by FM- should make anywhere between 4-2 Top5 points, an IMDB score abouve 7.5, and about 30 million BO- a nice little earner for $10, me thinks. That said, if tracking looks bad, I might take Dan in Real Life.

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transformers2 — GMT

I would own it personally because that price range is hard to find something worth your money. Dan In Real Life i think is going to tank. Anways about Pulp Fiction leave it to the french to call Tarintino a bastard and not realize what a great filmaker he is. :twisted:

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tuan69 — GMT

Bless you Michael Bay. Armageddon is a masterpiece.

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MrHen — GMT

transformers2 wrote:

Anways about Pulp Fiction leave it to the french to call Tarintino a bastard and not realize what a great filmaker he is. :twisted:

You can be a bastard AND a great filmmaker.

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A_Roode — GMT

The completely pitiful performance of 'The Heartbreak Kid' has all but assured that the only competition this weekend standing in the way of 'We Own the Night' taking 5 Top 5 is an equally risky but far pricier 'Michael Clayton.' Everyone can make mistakes. Not choosing 'We Own the Night' will be a mistake that many make this weekend.

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Chienfantome — GMT

numbersix_99 wrote:

Yeah, who can forget when Tarantino won for Pulp Fiction, and some (French?) critic called him a bastard when he won.

Well don't worry about french critics loving Tarantino. They adore him. But the films of his they prefer isn't the usual favorites. For example, one french magazine, "Les Inrockuptibles", known for being merciless when it comes to film reviews, called "Death Proof" (the longer european version) "probably one of the most important american films of the last few years".

numbersix_99 wrote:

Or poor Richard Kelly whose Southland Tales was awfulyl booed

Again, french aren't the ones you should blame first when it comes to booing Kelly's film, as french daily paper "Libération", probably the most cinephile daily paper in France, has put "Southland Tales" on their cover, and wrote 2 whole pages about the film, when they saw it at Cannes in May, calling it the most fascinating film of the Croisette.

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Nicodemus — GMT

The completely pitiful performance of 'The Heartbreak Kid' has all but assured that the only competition this weekend standing in the way of 'We Own the Night' taking 5 Top 5 is an equally risky but far pricier 'Michael Clayton.'

Folks, I think A_Roode's one to something, here. I'm thinking that next weekend's Top Five will be: [1] We Own the Night [2] The Game Plan [3] Elizabeth: The Golden Age [4] The Heartbreak Kid [5] Michael Clayton ...Meaning that: {A} The Kingdom will spend only two weeks in the Top Five (Combined with the frankly awful showing of the excellent In the Valley of Elah, I think it's pretty much as I suspected... war fatigue. Holders of Grace is Gone, Lions for Lambs, Redacted, and Rendition, stand by.) {B} Tyler Perry's Why Did I Get Married? is going to tank. I have to say, I'm surprised by that... I've been a big, big supporter of his films these last couple of years, and I thought that, if any of them would break out, it would be this title. Won't happen. {C} Michael Clayton, while I doubt it can become a blockbuster, is going to be one of the big surprises of the season for most FM players. I know, like, one person who has this film (bernox, in the October "Regulars" league)... Maybe it was the price ($19). [Sigh] And it's too early to tell for sure, but Across the Universe doesn't look like it'll come close to my hopes for it, either. Nothing's gonna change my world, after all. I remain, as always... Nico.

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numbersix_99 — GMT

Hmm, I don't think Tyler Perry is going to tank- his films have a fan base, regardless of reviews. I say the Top 5 next week will be: 1: Michael Clayton (12-14 mil) 2: We Own the Night (10-11 mil) 3: The Game Plan (9-11 mil) 4: Tyler Perry (8-10 mil) 5: The Heartbreak Kid (8-9 mil) I feel Elizabeth isn't getting the reviews it needs to be a sleeper hit- opening it on 1900 screens is a bad idea, as the film has no opportunity to generate word-of-mouth, like the original. And Michale Clayton is the kind of generic thrill with a big name that won't do well, but can't do bad either.

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transformers2 — GMT

I Think The top 5 next weekend will finish like this 1.We Own The Night 2.The Game Plan 3. Micheal Clayton 4.Heartbreak Kid 5.The Kingdom Tyler Perry will finish 6th next weekend and Elizabeth The Golden Age will tank.

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A_Roode — GMT

I had 'Michael Clayton' in my initial September-November league but got scared off by the luke-warm reception at Venice. The reception at Toronto was much better but, psychologically, the damage was done for me. Its value to me was for solid iMDb, some guaranteed PTA (by cleverly releasing limited against 'The Heartbreak Kid' and then stealing 5 Top 5 the following weekend witha wide release) but box office always looked like the wild card. I figured that if the film could reach '3:10 to Yuma' numbers that was as much as anyone could ask of it.

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filmboy — GMT

Tyler Perry will take the weekend. His first two films opend to 25 and 30 million. Dadd'y little girls would have made 19 million if it opend on Friday not wensday. WDIGM is based on one of best selling play and tracking showes that is is getting to the people it is targeted two. Tyler fanbase is big and Why did i get married will be another success for him.

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JackO — GMT

Here is my uneducated prediction 1. Gameplan 2. Michael Clayton 3. Why Did I Watch This Movie?® 4. HBK 5. We Own 6. Lizardbreath&trade 7. Good Luck 8. Resident Evil 9. Kingdom 10. Brave One

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StnMan5 — GMT

Nico, I think those were some pretty good predictions. I am very confident that We Own the Night will open at #1...probably not very high of an opening (less than $20m.) but #1 nonetheless. The Game Plan will definitely stay in the top 5 this week, and probably next week. I think you're right about The Kingdom. Everyone who wanted to see it has probably already done so. I agree with pretty much everyone who I know who has heard of Michael Clayton, and think that it will be one of the best films of the season. However, I don't think John and Jane Average Moviegoer have the same urgency and fire to see this kind of movie. For most americans (myself excluded of course) going to the movies is an event. An occasion if you will. People go to the movies to get out of the house and have some fun. Michael Clayton, to me anyway, doesn't look like it's gonna be that uplifting of a movie. At least not by the intense previews that I think will scare some people into waiting to rent it. I don't like Tyler Perry. There's just something about him. But, I don't think Why Did I Get Married will do all that badly at the box office. I think he's got the kind of fan base that will stick by him, (I mean those crappy Madea DVDs are selling pretty well)and I think the trailers appeal the movie to a slightly larger crowd than just Madea fans. I expect him to take the #5 spot this weekend over George. And, lastly. Nico, don't give up hope on Across the Universe. This kind of movie is exactly why they do limited release in the first place. A few people knew about it when it was first released then it started trickling into local theatres here and there, and pretty soon I think the word of mouth will generate enough momentum to keep it in theatres for a while. I'm not saying it's gonna reach blockbuster status, but I am saying around 35-50m. I know I'm gonna see it at least twice more with all of my friends. And that's probably the least amount of times I'll see it again.

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Nicodemus — GMT

filmboy:

Tyler Perry will take the weekend. His first two films opend to 25 and 30 million. Dadd'y little girls would have made 19 million if it opend on Friday not wensday. WDIGM is based on one of best selling play and tracking showes that is is getting to the people it is targeted two. Tyler fanbase is big and Why did i get married will be another success for him.

Hey, how 'bout that... someone else who appreciates Tyler Perry! (Or, at least, understands him and his work, somewhat.) I hope you're right... Certainly that was what I was thinking when I chose Why Did I Get Married? for several of my slates. While Perry may not exactly be August Wilson, or Langston Hughes, I have repeatedly characterized him as the modern African-American Neil Simon, and I think that analogy works, actually. I can only hope that his work begins to gain a wider audience and appreciation in the coming years. I remain, as always... Nico.

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filmboy — GMT

Nicodemus wrote:

filmboy:
Tyler Perry will take the weekend. His first two films opend to 25 and 30 million. Dadd'y little girls would have made 19 million if it opend on Friday not wensday. WDIGM is based on one of best selling play and tracking showes that is is getting to the people it is targeted two. Tyler fanbase is big and Why did i get married will be another success for him.
Hey, how 'bout that... someone else who appreciates Tyler Perry! (Or, at least, understands him and his work, somewhat.) I hope you're right... Certainly that was what I was thinking when I chose Why Did I Get Married? for several of my slates. While Perry may not exactly be August Wilson, or Langston Hughes, I have repeatedly characterized him as the modern African-American Neil Simon, and I think that analogy works, actually. I can only hope that his work begins to gain a wider audience and appreciation in the coming years. I remain, as always... Thanks for the support. I hope We Own the night deos well but as of right now, i can not see it out doing Perry's new film. I do not want to sound racist and if i do i am sorry, but it seems that alot of African Americans do not go to theaters unless they are teens. Example, look at Stomp the yard and Norbit. Both did very well in theaters because of teens. Then look at Black Snake moan, Pride, I Think i love My wife. All of those floped but diid good on DVD. Then look at tyler Perry's Daddy's Little Girls. It made 12 million on opening weekend but now that i think about it, it opend on a wensday. If the film would have opend on friday it would have made close to 20 million. That would have been the highest opening for any urban film this year. I just seems that when a tyler perry film comes out, there is a good turn out. But the main fact is there has not been an Film for or staring African Americans in a while. the last film that came out wide was Pride back in march and the latest film was Talk to me but that film did not come out wide. I just think they are ready to see there own on the big screen and tyler perry is the right one for it. I hope this post did not sound racist. If it did then i am sorry.

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Nicodemus — GMT

Some responses: StnMan5: (Sorry I didn't get to this earlier, I think you and I were composing our posts at about the same time, and then I was totally into the Cowboys-Bills thriller on MNF...) I'm with you, I don't think the #1 film will do better than $18 million or thereabouts. Game Plan still has two weeks left as a solid earner...

I agree with pretty much everyone who I know who has heard of Michael Clayton, and think that it will be one of the best films of the season. However, I don't think John and Jane Average Moviegoer have the same urgency and fire to see this kind of movie. For most americans (myself excluded of course) going to the movies is an event. An occasion if you will. People go to the movies to get out of the house and have some fun. Michael Clayton, to me anyway, doesn't look like it's gonna be that uplifting of a movie. At least not by the intense previews that I think will scare some people into waiting to rent it.

[Nodding] Although I've compared Michael Clayton to Erin Brokovich-by-way-of-Syriana, perhaps the BEST analogy is to one of my favorite films, Michael Mann's The Insider. Here's another film that opened in the Fall (November 5, 1999), to sterling reviews and quite a bit of awards-season buzz. But, it failed to connect with, as you put it, "John and Jane...Moviegoer," and ended up earning its reputation in Middle America mainly by way of VCR rentals and appearances on Starz!. Using that yardstick, I won't be surprised to see Michael Clayton, despite its strong limited opening in major film markets, to end up right around where I predicted it to fall last week in the "100 Million Dollar Question" thread: $32 million or so.

...[ I ] don't think Why Did I Get Married will do all that badly at the box office. I think he's got the kind of fan base that will stick by him, (I mean those crappy Madea DVDs are selling pretty well)and I think the trailers appeal the movie to a slightly larger crowd than just Madea fans. I expect him to take the #5 spot this weekend over George.

I'd love for you to prove me wrong. And if you don't "get" Tyler Perry, well, don't feel too badly... his films have definitely not been for "everybody." (Not that there's anything wrong with that. There's room enough at the box office counter, and in the multiplex, for all of us, I find.)

And, lastly. Nico, don't give up hope on Across the Universe. This kind of movie is exactly why they do limited release in the first place. A few people knew about it when it was first released then it started trickling into local theatres here and there, and pretty soon I think the word of mouth will generate enough momentum to keep it in theatres for a while. I'm not saying it's gonna reach blockbuster status, but I am saying around 35-50m. I know I'm gonna see it at least twice more with all of my friends. And that's probably the least amount of times I'll see it again.

StnMan5, you're playing music to my ears and giving me hope to face tomorrow. I'm about as far from Across the Universe's ideal market demographic as you could possibly imagine, yet the film seduced me on every sensory level. From your lips to God's ears. I would SO like to see this unusual, revelatory little picture do the $73 million I forecast. Thanks for your thoughts and your encouraging words! filmboy:

...I hope We Own the night deos well but as of right now, i can not see it out doing Perry's new film... t seems that alot of African Americans do not go to theaters unless they are teens. Example, look at [i]Stomp the yard and Norbit. Both did very well in theaters because of teens. Then look at Black Snake moan, Pride, I Think i love My wife. All of those floped but diid good on DVD.

[Nodding] You make some good points. I think that marketing effectively to African-Americans may be a VERY different prospect from marketing to so-called "Middle America," or to the (mostly white and upscale) art-house crowd, or even to "average" teenagers -- though I think ANY marketing to teens, no matter their socioeconomic or racial makeup, is probably a pretty daunting challenge.

...[L]ook at tyler Perry's Daddy's Little Girls. It made 12 million on opening weekend but now that i think about it, it opend on a wensday. If the film would have opend on friday it would have made close to 20 million. That would have been the highest opening for any urban film this year. I just seems that when a tyler perry film comes out, there is a good turn out.

He does have his following. It sometimes seems to be invisible, at least as far as early studio tracking (which, it seems to me, is mainly designed and performed by suburban white men) goes, but it's there, and is probably one of the most underserved (and poorly-served) audiences in modern American film. I think the audience that turns out for Tyler Perry films is so desperate for relevant content that they fairly surge into theaters when one of his films is released, as if they were quenching a powerful and long-suffered thirst. I don't know about the Wednesday-versus-Friday appeal, though. It seems to me that Wednesday openings benefit smaller films and limited releases. But I'm no marketing genius.

...[T]he main fact is there has not been an Film for or staring African Americans in a while. the last film that came out wide was Pride back in march and the latest film was Talk to me but that film did not come out wide. I just think they are ready to see there own on the big screen and tyler perry is the right one for it.

I just wonder why we don't see more films like Waiting to Exhale, a fair-sized ($67 million) release back in 1995 that was marketed VERY broadly in spite of its almost uniformly African-American cast. This isn't merely a good "black" film, it's a darned good film, period. (And, btw, if you're looking for evidence of IMDb users' prejudice against films serving or reflecting the African-American community, look no further than Waiting to Exhale's mind-boggling 4.9 User Rating. A disgrace.)

I hope this post did not sound racist. If it did then i am sorry.

I'm not a person of color, so I don't think I'm qualified to judge, but insofar as I can tell, you're cool. Talking intelligently and openly about racial issues doesn't make anyone a "racist" in my book. I for one am glad for your contributions here. I look forward to more of your thoughts. I remain, as always... Nico.

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tuan69 — GMT

Bless you Michael Bay. Armageddon is a masterpiece.

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Nicodemus — GMT

Tyler Perry has a 12-acre estate outside Atlanta.

...?... It's like tuan's suddenly become the writer for FOX News Alerts. I remain, as always... Nico.

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iamhollywood — GMT

tuan69 wrote:

Tyler Perry has a 12-acre estate outside Atlanta.

Isn't there an E! forum where you could put this?

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cRAzY — GMT

I think we own the night looks much better than the departed. Considering I didn't even really like the departed.

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A_Roode — GMT

The 'Over/Under Game' has weighed in: 1. Tyler Perry 15.0 2. Michael Clayton 12.0 3. Elizabeth 2 10.9 4. The Game Plan 10.5 5. We Own the Night 8.0 6. HeartBreak Kid 7.3 7. The Kingdom 5.1 8. Across the U. 3.3 9. The Final Season 2.4 10. R.E.:Ex 2.2 I think the estimate for 'We Own the Night' is low considering that Sony has been pushing the hell out of it for three months. 8 million? I'll trust the marketing team at Sony but this looks like an anxiety filled weekend. I wonder how a non-'Madea' Tyler Perry will compare to the first two in the series -- or will it even matter?

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geezer9687 — GMT

You mentioned the juxtaposition of We Own The Night and American Gangster as a potential problem. Do you really believe that American Gangster will take a real hit? Denzel and Russel Crowe are much bigger stars and I have seen ads for this film for months now and ever since the first time I saw it I got goosebumps. I loved The Departed and I think American Gangster will be better. I do not get the same feeling about We Own the Night. So do you you really believe this film will be able to steal the thunder of Denzel and Russel? P.S. What is your opinion on what will do better: We Own the Night or 30 Days of Night. is 30 Days worth the extra 2 bucks?

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Nicodemus — GMT

geezer, to answer your questions, first, I for one am skeptical of We Own the Night's ability to outperform American Gangster. Gangster's going to hit at a much more potentially lucrative time than Night (a few weeks can make a lot of difference, as we move toward the Holiday filmgoing season) and figures to have a far more considerable marketing campaign. Plus, I'm not all that certain that the Wahlberg-Phoenix axis is as big a draw as Crowe-Washington. Denzel's lost some momentum, true, but I'm not sure that the two younger guys are quite at Crowe's level, yet. The one advantage that Night seems to have, at least for now, is in IMDb (currently an 8.2; Gangster's unrated at present, but may be hard-pressed to outperform that mark); this, moving on to your second question, is the reason I would pick We Own the Night over 30 Days of Night. Own is simply the safer bet, a known quantity; there's simply no way it will fail to enter the Top 5 in its debut weekend, and while 30 Days LOOKS to be a strong genre title, it's just that -- a genre title. By definition, it's going to have an uphill battle generating significant mainstream attention... and, let's face it, this hasn't exactly been the year for horror movies, no matter how clever and buzz-worthy. I realize we're nearly to Halloween, traditionally the time of year when even the most derivative and foolish horror / thriller films will have an audience, and it's true that only two are coming out this month: 30 Days of Night and Saw IV, and one is a fairly inventive title, and the other merely the latest in a seemingly interminable line of ever-more-pathetic sequels. But here's the thing: 30 Days' novelty will certainly work FOR it in terms of die-hard horror fans, who'll seek out the new and interesting before trudging wearily back to the multiplex to pay homage to the Saw franchise... But, unless it manages to capture lightning in a bottle, 30 Days will suffer from Saw's general familiarity. Gore-fest fanatics will surely make time for 30 Days; the average theatergoer will more likely stick with what they already know. (This is why sequels are such cash machines.) I could be wrong. If any horror film this year is going to make a splash in terms of PTA, it's probably 30 Days of Night, and if User Ratings are through the roof that could well make it a better investment than We Own the Night, which is sure to make more money and Top 5 points. So, here's my calculus: We Own the Night: Better Box Office earnings potential, better Top 5 points potential, already-proven high IMDb. 30 Days of Night: Unknown IMDb, and it's possible it has better PTA points potential. Neither one's going to be a blockbuster, but I'd say it's advantage: We Own the Night. Call it 5-4 and pick 'em. Much will depend, however, on just how high 30 Days' IMDb User Ratings are. If you have a hunch that the horror film is going to make jaws drop, perhaps you'd better go with it. And now, I'm all out of hands. (On the one hand... but on the OTHER hand... And on the GRIPPING hand...) I remain, as always... Nico. (Handyman.)

Re:Sorry, sorry 'Night'? What do we think about 'NOT "The Departed"'?

tuan69 — GMT

Bless you Michael Bay. Armageddon is a masterpiece.

Re:Sorry, sorry 'Night'? What do we think about 'NOT "The Departed"'?

jameydunne — GMT

I just finished watching Death Proof and the Euro version must be significantly better than than the US cut because I was bored. As Toby Keith wrote, I guess I was hoping for "a little less talk and a lot more action." I understand that it is a Tarantino movie and long blab fests are a given, but could the movie just DO something? Also, what was the era that the film was aiming for? '70s or '90s? And Stuntman Mike? The biggest case of overhyping a character since possibly Darth Maul. I guess if that is what grindhouse movies are like, I don't regret missing them. Planet Terror gets released next tuesday on DVD. I am looking forward to that, and that was the half of the billing I was looking forward to anyways. And while it's not the sexy pick, I have preferred Rodriguez's talent, consistancy, and personal attitude much more than good old Quintin.

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numbersix_99 — GMT

I agree completely, Jamey, i know Tarantino's film are about the digressions (Pulp Ficiton was nothing but), but usually it's interesting- that scene where the four girls in the movie business talk about falling intoa ditch, and then go on about Vanishing Point... I mean, I know Vanishing Point is cool, I really don't need to hear 4 chick harp on aabout it for 15 minutes- it's a long way from the tipping argument at the start of Reservoir Dogs. I didn't like Death Proof at all. There's some quality moments ( Kurt's girly screams, the car chase, the first killings), but that amounts to about 20 minutes out of the film's 2 hours. Nope, Quent has lost it for me, and I have doubts about Inglorious Bastards, considering I'm not a fan of the whole war-action genre (that said, I'm no fan of kung fu but Kill Bill V1 rocked my world)

Re:Sorry, sorry 'Night'? What do we think about 'NOT "The Departed"'?

StnMan5 — GMT

oh no...You guys missed the point of DeathProof. The first time I saw it...I was not a huge fan, but now that I've watched it closer a few times it's probably my third favorite Tarantino Movie. All of Tarantino's films are tributes. Obviously. Whether it's Kill Bill Vol. 1 (Kung Fu) Kill Bill Vol. 2 (westerns) Pulp Fiction (serials) they all are Tarantino's version of a genre that influenced him as a kid. And he does tribut films better than pretty much anyone. He, instead of avoiding these genres cliche's, uses every single one of them he can. He throws in a stupid plot that you would find in an actual crappy western or kung fu film or old car film. He tosses in the stereotypical characters you would find in those films. He puts all of the cliche'd elements that make those movies so bad, and manages to stick by it and make it interesting and watchable. If you've ever seen any of the old car movies of the 60s and 70s, they are DeathProof. There's a ridiculous plot. Terrible acting (deathproof is definitely no exception, but again that's the point). Stupid, pointless dialogue that doesn't really serve the plot or pretty much anything. And then, after 2 hours of nothing you get an awesome 15 minute car chase for absolutely no reason. And for that, DeathProof is perfect. You are obviously allowed you're opinion, this movie is definitelt not for everyone, but I personally love DeathProof with all of my heart!

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numbersix_99 — GMT

You're right Stn, Death Proof gets it perfectly in mimicking an awful genre that should never be revived: he has made an awful film that shouldn't have been made. What gets my goat is that he spent about 30million dollars- no Grindhouse movie ever cost that. If he was truly genuine he should have shot it in dodgy 16mm, or even better, camera phones! Instead he used 35mm (or so IMDB says, although I thought he shot in digital) and spends all this money to make scratchy effects? Talk about taking the long way around.

Re:Sorry, sorry 'Night'? What do we think about 'NOT "The Departed"'?

tuan69 — GMT

Bless you Michael Bay. Armageddon is a masterpiece.

Re:Sorry, sorry 'Night'? What do we think about 'NOT "The Departed"'?

helfy91782 — GMT

I don't know I don't think this film gives you enough. It is pretty much a jack of all trades and master of none. It has nice reviews... It will make between 25 and 40 million... but it will give you only one week in the top 5 and no PTA. If it were a sub 10 dollar pick up I would say go for it but not for more than for more than 10 percent of your slate. However, it does apear to be nice pick up in BO moguls b/c you won't pay a premium for the ratings.

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transformers2 — GMT

Planet Terror is a masterpiece its a lot better than Death Proof trust me. Planet Terror has the actual Grindhouse vibe and Is really well bloody as hell and funny as hell Planet Terror by itself made Grindhouse one of my favorite films of 2007. [Along with Eli Roth's Thanksgiving trailer pure genius].

Re:Sorry, sorry 'Night'? What do we think about 'NOT "The Departed"'?

StnMan5 — GMT

uh...sorry. Planet Terror can be watched ONCE. Any repeat veiwing is a waste of time. Unlike DeathProof, Planet Terror has absolutely nothing below the surface period. Nothing is subtle and once you watch it again, to be completely honest, it isn't nearly as outrageous or entertaining as you thought it was the first time. DeathProof has more subtleties that you might not pick up the first time, much like all of Tarantino's movies. I'm just saying...Give DeathProof another look. You will most likely find some things that you didn't see before. If you don't. Then, your taste in movies is obviously too mainstream. And I understand Tarantino is considered a mainstream director, but his movies are anything but.

Re:Sorry, sorry 'Night'? What do we think about 'NOT "The Departed"'?

tuan69 — GMT

Bless you Michael Bay. Armageddon is a masterpiece.

Re:Sorry, sorry 'Night'? What do we think about 'NOT "The Departed"'?

numbersix_99 — GMT

good point in defense of QT, Stn, I agree somewhat- there are things going on in Deathproof, such as the whole old skool Vs New Kids (Kurt Vs Stunt ladies), or the fact that the heroes aren't trying to save/avenge their children/husband (the motive for 99% of female heroes)- there's someting in that. BUT I think Tarantino doesn't have enough to make it interesting. Those dialogue scenes... really, they are very uninteresting. Sure, there's a lyricism to them, but it feels so insignificant and downright dull that I couldn't care less. That, and the fact that I felt no real sympathy or interest for the sassy stuntladies, that I didn't really give a damn whether they lived or died. Even Reservoir Dogs had the bond between White and Orange, or Jules had his epipheny- these are issues of SOME emotional weight, something we can invest ourselves in. And I didn't have that for anyone in Death Proof. Perhaps it's reflecting the traits of Grindhouse, and if that's the case, fine, but that just limits the film as much as original grindhouse limited itself, and why the genre is not considered to be of any true quality besides a nostalgic nod.

Re:Sorry, sorry 'Night'? What do we think about 'NOT "The Departed"'?

StnMan5 — GMT

I definitely understand why you would feel that way six, the film is definitely not for everyone.

Re:Sorry, sorry 'Night'? What do we think about 'NOT "The Departed"'?

Nicodemus — GMT

Getting back to We Own the Night, the reviews are coming in, and they're mainly pretty tepid. Almost all praise the competent direction and performances of the male leads, but almost all also go to great lengths to say, there's nothing new here, folks. I'm thinking (in lieu of Mase's always-comprehensive tracking reports) it's going to be a horse race between Night and Elizabeth: The Golden Age, with The Game Plan a VERY strong holdover and Tyler Perry's Why Did I Get Married stumbling into fourth. The Darjeeling Limited ought to make a minor splash, though I doubt it will earn Top 5 status. We should begin to have our answers here in the next 12-24 hours... I remain, as always... Nico.

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numbersix_99 — GMT

Nico Nico Nico- do you honestly think Elizabeth 2 will do well? Look at the reviews, my rodent friend- Elizabeth is the kind of film that really requires good word of mouth and reviews to prosper. This film has neither, opening as wide as possible and to very very poor reviews. It has no real appeal, no real audience, it will not make the Top 5, I'm afraid. I say Clayton will get top spot, then We Own, followed by Tyler Perry, Game Plan, and Heartbreak Kid.

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Nicodemus — GMT

Put it this way: Yeah, I thought Elizabeth: The Golden Age would perform well, UNTIL I visited my local cineplex this afternoon, took in Michael Clayton, and talked to the manager for half an hour. This is going to be one of the most interesting weekends of the year, in my opinion. Just about anything could happen -- including, that we get another week of high-flying Game Plan. But, Six, I think you're on the right track. The biggest surprise I got this afternoon was that, apparently, almost no one's showing up for Why Did I Get Married? Yeah, it's early yet, but if I had to guess right now, I'd say that it's likely Tyler Perry -- contrary to my long-held opinions and expectations -- will bow out of the Top 5. However, Hell, my thoughts about this weekend are changing almost by the hour. But that's what makes it so intense. Right now I'm feeling about 98% excitement, 2% nervousness... Or maybe it's 98% nervous and 2% excited. I remain, as always... Nico.

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numbersix_99 — GMT

Yeah, but you're from Texas- didn't the whiteys scare all the black dudes out of texas with their shotguns? I think Tyler Perry will do a lot better in other states, the non racist ones (;) )

Re:Sorry, sorry 'Night'? What do we think about 'NOT "The Departed"'?

geezer9687 — GMT

wow.... just wow

Re:Sorry, sorry 'Night'? What do we think about 'NOT "The Departed"'?

Nicodemus — GMT

...Yeaaaahhhh. I honestly don't have the first clue about how to respond to that, so, actually, I won't. I remain, as always... Nico.

Re:Sorry, sorry 'Night'? What do we think about 'NOT "The Departed"'?

tuan69 — GMT

Bless you Michael Bay. Armageddon is a masterpiece.

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filmboy — GMT

Tyler perry won the weekend by a mile FM Friday #'s - Tyler Perry wins going away Wow. I didn't see this coming. EXCLUSIVE FANTASY MOGULS EARLY FRIDAY ESTIMATES 1. NEW - Tyler Perry’s Why Did I Get Married? (Lionsgate) - $8.65M - $4,301 PTA - $8.65M cume 2. NEW – We Own the Night (Sony) - $3.75M - $1,588 PTA - $3.75M cume 3. Michael Clayton (Warner Bros) - $3.7M - $1,474 PTA - $4.7M cume 4. The Game Plan (Buena Vista) - $3.2M - $1,023 PTA - $51.1M cume 5. The Heartbreak Kid (Dreamworks/Paramount) - $2.3M - $711 PTA - $20.8M cume 6. NEW – Elizabeth: The Golden Age (Universal) - $2.2M - $1,099 PTA - $2.2M cume 7. The Kingdom (Universal) - $1.29M - $458 PTA - $36.6M cume 8. Across the Universe (Sony) - $1.12M - $1,175 PTA - $10M cume 9. Resident Evil: Extinction (Sony) – $710,000 - $316 PTA - $46.1M cume 10. Good Luck Chuck (Lionsgate) - $586,000 - $301 PTA - $31.3M cume 11. The Seeker: The Dark is Rising (Fox) - $578,000 - $183 PTA - $5.5M 12. 3:10 to Yuma (Lionsgate) - $432,000 - $237 PTA - $50.4M cume *Feel the Noise (Sony) - $417,000 - $409 PTA - $4.1M cume *Darjeeling Limited (Fox Searchlight) - $282,000 - $2,972 PTA - $1.35M cume *Into the Wild (Paramount Vantage) - $240,000 - $1,569 PTA - $3.2M cume *Transformers (Dreamworks/Paramount) - $210,000 - $584 PTA - $317M cume *NEW - The Final Season (Yari Film Group) - $200,000 - $198 PTA - $200,000 cume *Lust, Caution (Focus Features) - $135,500 - $1,760 PTA - $785,000 cume *The Assassination of Jesse James… (Warner Bros) - $101,420 - $622 PTA - $1M cume *In the Valley of Elah (Warner Independent) - $101,000 - $139 PTA - $6M cume *NEW - Lars & the Real Girl (MGM) - $25,760 - $3,680 PTA - $25,760 cume *NEW – Sleuth (Sony Classics) - $11,169 - $1,241 PTA - $11,169 cume *NEW – King Corn (Balcony Releasing) - $3,086 - $3,086 PTA - $3,086 cume EXCLUSIVE FANTASY MOGULS EARLY 3-DAY ESTIMATES 1. NEW - Tyler Perry’s Why Did I Get Married? (Lionsgate) - $25.3M - $12,581 PTA - $25.3M cume 2. The Game Plan (Buena Vista) - $12.3M - $3,932 PTA - $60.2M cume 3. Michael Clayton (Warner Bros) - $11.4M - $4,540 PTA - $12.4M cume 4. NEW – We Own the Night (Sony) - $11.2M - $4,742 PTA - $11.2M cume 5. The Heartbreak Kid (Dreamworks/Paramount) - $7.3M - $2,258 PTA - $25.8M cume 6. NEW – Elizabeth: The Golden Age (Universal) - $7M - $3,498 PTA - $7M cume 7. The Kingdom (Universal) - $4.36M - $1,539 PTA - $39.7M cume 8. Across the Universe (Sony) - $3.47M - $3,642 PTA - $12.3M cume 9. Resident Evil: Extinction (Sony) – $2.59M - $1,152 PTA - $48M cume 10. The Seeker: The Dark is Rising (Fox) - $1.99M - $630 PTA - $6.9M 11. Good Luck Chuck (Lionsgate) - $1.93M - $993 PTA - $32.6M cume 12. 3:10 to Yuma (Lionsgate) - $1.5M - $829 PTA - $51.5M cume *Feel the Noise (Sony) - $1.37M - $1,349 PTA - $5.1M cume *Darjeeling Limited (Fox Searchlight) - $940,000 - $9,896 PTA - $2M cume *Into the Wild (Paramount Vantage) - $864,000 - $5,647 PTA - $3.8M cume *Transformers (Dreamworks/Paramount) - $841,000 - $2,336 PTA - $317.6M cume *NEW - The Final Season (Yari Film Group) - $540,000 - $534 PTA - $540,000 cume *Lust, Caution (Focus Features) - $475,000 - $6,169 PTA - $1.1M cume *In the Valley of Elah (Warner Independent) - $359,000 - $495 PTA - $6.2M cume *The Assassination of Jesse James… (Warner Bros) - $355,000 - $2,178 PTA - $1.3M cume *NEW - Lars & the Real Girl (MGM) - $93,000 - $13,286 PTA - $93,000 cume *NEW – Sleuth (Sony Classics) - $41,000 - $4,556 PTA - $41,000 cume *NEW – King Corn (Balcony Releasing) - $10,801 - $10,801 PTA - $10,801 cume

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numbersix_99 — GMT

Haha hope I didn't hurt your state patriotism, Nico, twas a mere jest. But there was a sort of point in there, in that Texas doesn't represent the demographics of the kind of people who would watch Tyler Perry. And I guess I was right (in the sense that I end up saying every possibility is..well.. possible, and eventually one of them will be correct), as it now looks to make 25 mil this weekend- it's another Game Plan!

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transformers2 — GMT

Tyler Perry's Why Did I Get Married god damn it number one movie noooooooooooo my bankrupts slate is done.

Re:Sorry, sorry 'Night'? What do we think about 'NOT "The Departed"'?

Nicodemus — GMT

Eh, I've got a pretty thick skin, there, Six, me hearty... But, you know, there really wasn't a way for me to reply to that without sounding [A] defensive; [ B ] ignorant; or [C] like a stereotypical Texas racist. (Or, in a Texas Trifecta, all three.) I mean, it's not like I can totally reject your premise. This is a state that, about a decade ago, became infamous for having had a disabled African-American man tied to the bumper of a pickup truck and dragged along a gravel road by three white supremacists until his body fell apart like well-cooked brisket... while he was still alive. It's true that Dallas, which is near where I live, is more diverse than most of the state... but, integration has not been what I would call a smashing success, in all honesty, and, sadly, African-Americans comprise less than 5% of the population of the county in which I live. And, of course, you were proven correct: Either "my" local theater makes for a poor litmus test of African-American moviegoing, or business for Tyler Perry's Why Did I Get Married? picked up substantially as the sun was going down. Probably, both are true. Anywho, we're cool. I remain, as always... Nico.

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numbersix_99 — GMT

It's good to know we're cool- I wouldn't have been able to show my (digital) face here otherwise! Well, I may have been right about Tyler, but you were right about Night, it really isn't doing very well. I should have realised that Clayton would have taken some of the taget audience, creating two moderate releases.

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geezer9687 — GMT

I'm starting to be very glad I decided to stick with 30 Days of Night over We Own the Night, it seems like it will be worth the extra 2 bucks

Re:Sorry, sorry 'Night'? What do we think about 'NOT "The Departed"'?

geezer9687 — GMT

and I'm very glad that I have why did I get Married as well, It'd a very good PTA weekend for me

Re:Sorry, sorry 'Night'? What do we think about 'NOT "The Departed"'?

Nicodemus — GMT

...And I'm glad that Six only contemplates showing his digital face 'round here, and not his... erm, well... other properties. May I say, on behalf of I'm sure everyone here, that your face, at least, will always be most welcome, Six. [Grin] ...Hey, I had to break your balls just a little, right? Just a smidge? You place waaaaay too much value on my assessment of your "coolness," btw. If there's a more "UN-cool" individual here than yours truly, it's probably... er, well, Shryke, actually. [Laughing] Oh, man, am I digging myself a hole.

...Night...isn't doing very well. I should have realised that Clayton would have taken some of the taget audience, creating two moderate releases.

Yeah, this thought occurred to me, too. I think We Own the Night tried to appeal to both late teens-twentysomethings and more mature filmgoers, but Michael Clayton gave the over-35 crowd a choice. I still can't get over how many folks who draw Social Security were at the Michael Clayton screening I took in early Friday afternoon. I had a feeling the word-of-mouth would be pretty good... It's going to be interesting to see whether Clayton continues to pick up steam and manages another Top 5 finish or two. I personally think that's doubtful, but, you know, at this point I think pretty much anything's possible...including Tyler Perry's Why Did I Get Married? being the biggest film of the entire month. geezer, I'm glad you stuck with 30 Days, too. Especially since I don't think I'm in a league with you. [Grin] I remain, as always... Nico.

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Shryke42 — GMT

You place waaaaay too much value on my assessment of your "coolness," btw. If there's a more "UN-cool" individual here than yours truly, it's probably... er, well, Shryke, actually. [Laughing] Oh, man, am I digging myself a hole.

Please allow me to dig it for you. And BTW, bite me, rat-boy. :twisted: I'm frickin' Fonzie compared to you. :shock:

Re:Sorry, sorry 'Night'? What do we think about 'NOT "The Departed"'?

Nicodemus — GMT

Ayyyyyyyyyy. Loved that shark episode, btw. [Grin] Oh, and, btw, you're right, of course. (Would that make me... Potsie? Ralph Malph? Arnold? [blanching] Chachi?!?!?) I remain, as always... Nico. (Pinky Tuscadero?!?!?)

Re:Sorry, sorry 'Night'? What do we think about 'NOT "The Departed"'?

ashkul88 — GMT

transformers2 wrote:

You can be a bastard AND a great filmmaker.

and sometimes you have to be one to be the other.... :D

Re:Sorry, sorry 'Night'? What do we think about 'NOT "The Departed"'?

jameydunne — GMT

Finally saw a 30 second spot for 30 days of... and thought is was, well politely stated- weak. The spot made it look like every other vampire story and realized two thought and one conclusion. Either they represented the movie well on the spot or they should have hired another agency to better sell the movies unique features. Either way, I do have a slight fear on its box office return numbers, think I could be stuck with a dud.