The fanboy effect reigns once again. 

The Godfather is a piece of shit. Talk about overrated. 

I've got to agree with those for TDK being in the top ten. It just took out the great wall, broke down an untouchable list. Half the movies up there are no longer relevant in our world, they're known for their quality as "classics" even though few people actively seek to watch them. In my mind the films at the top of the list have been placed on a pedestal and been left there too long simply because people are too afraid to challenge them. Will TDK stay number 1? probably not... Will it stick around in the top 5 or 10? YES, and deservingly so. We need far more modern masterpieces. 

The fanboy effect reigns once again. 

Excellent, excellent point. I mean the Godfather and Godfather II in the top 5? And Cuckoos nest? I mean come on those films aren't relevant at all anymore, the only ones in the top 10 that still are are Shawshank and Pulp Fiction 

six this is a rarity but i got to agree from the 6 or 7 ive seen from that Top 10 they are all better than TDK except for Casablanca wasnt that good yes fanboys for sure are responsible for this. 

Damn Q, you were one of my boys but I have to disagree with you here. I like Godfather but I wouldn't put it on my top 50, but top 100 sure. Cuckoo's Nest on the other hand is one of the perfect movies ever. I watch it a few times a year and it always moves me. How can a movie not be relevant anymore?? Human emotions are always going to be relevant as long as there are humans. Cuckoo's Nest explores those emotions; from isolation and lonliness to rebellion against authority to finding friendship in the unlikeliest place. The movie (and the book holy shit the book) is a work of art with the deranged human mind as the medium. Some movies, or books, or any type of work of art will never become irrelevant. Art is intrinsic to the human soul, nature, mind, whatever you call it.  

I think those films are definitely still relevant. But the fact remains... The Godfather is not only a piece of shit, it's a boring piece of shit. Does The Godfather have a fantastically shot car chase scene like in TDK? No. Thus TDK is better than The Godfather. 

To criticize The Dark Knight for having Morgan Freeman's Lucius Fox and Michael Caine's Alfred Pennyworth is pointless in itself. Sure, the film doesn't exactly NEED them, but they are PART of the Batman universe and they do serve a purpose to Batman, so they are not exactly pointless. The Hong Kong scene certainly can be cut out of the movie. The plot will still be the same without it. But without it, we wouldn't have that fantastically shot nighttime Batman skydiving scene and the brilliant parachute escape. And we also wouldn't really know who Chin Han's Lau is, and in effect we might not have that great scene where The Joker slides down the mountain of money and then later throws a stack of cash at Han's face. It's hilarious. You could also criticize The Godfather for being a pointless film in terms of affecting one's emotions. Is The Godfather moving? No.  

There's no point addressing your comments on The Godfather. I guess it wasn't the raunchy action-comedy you wanted it to be. But there are far more people out there than not who isn't moved by the tale of an optimistic young man's descent into evil. 

The Hong Kong scene does very little in telling us about Chin Han Lau, it's really just an excuse for action, and to flag the sonar. I personally felt bored throughout it, as it was obvious it was going nowhere.  

Some of the films you guys are slagging as being unworthy of top ten status... the mind boggles. If the iMDb really wanted their top 250 to be taken seriously they would discount any film from consideration that is not at least five years old. 'Iron Man' as one of the best 250 films of all time? With all due respect to the great talents who made it (and I did like the film), are we out of our f#%king minds? 

numbersix_99 wrote:

There's no point addressing your comments on The Godfather. I guess it wasn't the raunchy action-comedy you wanted it to be. But there are far more people out there than not who isn't moved by the tale of an optimistic young man's descent into evil. 

Yeah..... boring. There are many parts of the world that is not so bright so to watch something as boring and even crap as The Godfather is just damaging and depressing when one thinks about it. Something like Schindler's List, as sad and depressing as that movie is, the ending is so wonderful and moving that it actually inspires hope in all of us. Learn from history's terrible past and be better for it. The Godfather, a so-called 'classic' doesn't do anything for me. It has no worth except for film buffs to watch it and watch it's craft, as I must admit, technically, when it comes to writing, directing, acting and cinematography it's pretty damn excellent, but as something more than that, it's pretty crap. That's why I think The Godfather is one of the biggest and most overrated turds in the history of cinema. Even bigger than Bono. The world needs more movies like The Dark Knight, a movie so entertaining and great that you just can't help but smile when you think about it. If every child born on this planet is forced to watch The Dark Knight from now on, depression would not exist, less people would jump off a bridge as they would wait for the next Nolan masterpiece. 

I can't even possibly begin to understand why something should have to wait to be on such a list. that makes absolutely no god damn sense to me. So basically you are trying to tell me you look at films from the standpoint of "well this can only be great 5 years from now?" So I guess we should just not bother going to the movies and just keep renting the godfather again. Just because a movie comes out in the year 2008 does not make it any less of a classic than any other film. If the film is of such a high quality and you get such a joy out of watching it, why do we have to wait 5 years to recognize its greatness. The fact that you guys believe you know what makes a film great and you know what should or shouldn't be included in a film just further proves that you watch movies as film snobs. You should be able to acknowledge that other people have different tastes from you. A ton of people love the Godfather. And now a ton of people will love The Dark Knight. Don't try and say the movie doesn't deserve its rightful place on a list that is generated by mostly my generation, the kids who grew up with the internet (hey, it is the internet movie database). 

geezer9687 wrote:

I can't even possibly begin to understand why something should have to wait to be on such a list. that makes absolutely no god damn sense to me. So basically you are trying to tell me you look at films from the standpoint of "well this can only be great 5 years from now?" So I guess we should just not bother going to the movies and just keep renting the godfather again. Just because a movie comes out in the year 2008 does not make it any less of a classic than any other film. If the film is of such a high quality and you get such a joy out of watching it, why do we have to wait 5 years to recognize its greatness. The fact that you guys believe you know what makes a film great and you know what should or shouldn't be included in a film just further proves that you watch movies as film snobs. You should be able to acknowledge that other people have different tastes from you. A ton of people love the Godfather. And now a ton of people will love The Dark Knight. Don't try and say the movie doesn't deserve its rightful place on a list that is generated by mostly my generation, the kids who grew up with the internet (hey, it is the internet movie database). 

Thank you, geez. That's exactly what I want to say. Are you guys saying that movies aren't great unless their old? And I don't buy that whole thing about having to wait to see if a movie is a masterpiece. I can watch a movie one time and know exactly what I think of it, and if I watch it again tomorrow that opinion won't change. Are you saying No Country for Old Men, There Will Be Blood, The Departed and Ratatouille shouldn't be on the list? 

Damn Q, you were one of my boys but I have to disagree with you here. I like Godfather but I wouldn't put it on my top 50, but top 100 sure. Cuckoo's Nest on the other hand is one of the perfect movies ever. I watch it a few times a year and it always moves me. How can a movie not be relevant anymore?? Human emotions are always going to be relevant as long as there are humans. Cuckoo's Nest explores those emotions; from isolation and lonliness to rebellion against authority to finding friendship in the unlikeliest place. The movie (and the book holy shit the book) is a work of art with the deranged human mind as the medium. Some movies, or books, or any type of work of art will never become irrelevant. Art is intrinsic to the human soul, nature, mind, whatever you call it.  

People talk about "Why have the Hong Kong scene in TDK?" Well like you said, because we get to watch batman jump off a building and glide through the Hong Kong Skyline, crash through a window of a skyscraper and kick ass. That's why. Is it necessary for the story? Probably not. Is it fun to watch? Hell yes. I think that frisky and 6 need to get the sticks out of their asses and remember that movies are supposed to be fun.  

To complain about something as trivial as Lucious Fox is just absurd. Seriously guys? Thats what made you think this movie wasn't a classic? Because Morgan Freeman, possibly the greatest actor ever was given a small role that didn't need to be in the movie? Wow, I guess you are right, the butler should be able to build armor and batmobile's. That makes sense. Lets not have a technical expert behind that. Alfred is Bruce Wayne's guide. His mentor. The person he can trust more than anyone to offer him advice and to keep his secret. Lucious is a like Batman's Q. They are not the same. 

I wouldn't criticize The Godfather at all if it was labelled as "one" of the greatest movies ever and not "the" greatest movie ever". 

It's certainly nowhere near as good as Terminator 2 

yikes.. i haven't seen TDK yet... but that statement is very discouraging 

It's certainly nowhere near as good as Terminator 2  

yikes.. i haven't seen TDK yet... but that statement is very discouraging 

Umm Sorry 6, I love you like an Irsh brother but I don't even think T2 was as good as the first one...  

It's certainly nowhere near as good as Terminator 2  

yikes.. i haven't seen TDK yet... but that statement is very discouraging 

Umm Sorry 6, I love you like an Irsh brother but I don't even think T2 was as good as the first one...  

Donte was that a shot at me? I never said I didn't like Cuckoo's Nest, I just don't think it should be that high on the list is all. It is a classic and is a fantastic movie, I know these things.  

740 people gave dark knight a 1/10 on imdb............... i didn't realize that many FMers decided not to play it 

N-Span: Yes I don't think the original Terminator gets enough respect. For its time the FX were quite good and the plotline was solid. Good enough to spawn 3 sequals, a TV show, and a comic book. Plus without it, where would all the Jay Leno/Conan Obrian monologues be without a Governator reference???  

Did anyone hear Kevin Smith's podcast interview/review of TDK? God, what a geek. He's moving up in my list of people I want to kick in the nuts.