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cRAzY, I put one disclaimer on this post before I start- I personally find the following stuff I am defending obnoxious and do everything in my power to avoid it.

Rip on Hillary, Lindsay, the girl who plays Hannah Montana, and others of that that type as much as you like, but they represent a legitiment part of the entertainment industry. Hannah Montana and Lizzie MaGuire (which I find painfully tolerable) were/ are very solid cable hits that serve their stations well. They may not be extremely 'innovative', but they better versions of the type of show that they are.

As for the actresses involved, I think initial agents were very good. They got the chance to shine.

For those who care, I got to experience High School Musical 2. High School Musical was a tween/ chic musical that was done well enough with enough masculine (or at least not feminine) moments to make the experience exceptable to sit through with my wife. The second was a complete, total chick flick with no apologies. My wife enjoyed, but not as much as the first. The story was different and a better than expected, and music and dance nowhere near as good as the first. Anyone with testasterone avoid a muchas possible. It will be a long movie for you.

Say what you want but I think the entire world would be a much better place if we just got rid of Those Two and probably just go ahead and get rid of their entire fan base as well.
P.S. Thanks for getting the name right.

cRAzY, you eliminate the click flick fan base and the world will have a hard time continuing, considering that most of the child bearing population has liked or currently is liking that kind of movie. Because that is what girls/ women like. They like to emote and talk about their feelings.

As long as there are girls/ women on this earth, there will be super sappy movies for them to see and their significant others (boy friend/ husband/ best guy friend) asking themselves, "Why am I here? And when will something blow up?"

I know. Isn't that depressing. I don't mean to sound sexist. I have plenty of chicas for friends. But the little phase most chicks go through mostly during jr. high is the most godawful thing ever. Not too mention just plain annoying.
But I guess they have to make movies for all audiences. Annoying teenage girls, Gays, Retarted Anarchists who hate america but don't wanna live anywhere else. Its just something we have to put up with. As long as I don't have to see anything more than a preview I'll stay happy. Unfortanetly I work at theater and unfornately the lowest of three managers on the totem pole. so I have to watch retarted movies occasionaly.(Brokeback, Aquamarine.)

cRAzy, the never entirely grow out of chick flicks. The chick flicks just go from obnoxious (insert teenage giggles and squeals) to motherly (insert your best soccer mom conversation involving 'the children', 'my psychiatrist', and 'why, I never...'. I have been married for seven years and will personally attests that I would much rather watch some dopey teen chick flick over some 'mature' melodramatic adult chick flick. At least the teen one attempts to have fun.

I make an effort to avoid 'Grown up' movies. They tend to bore me.

As to you're having to watch Aquamarine and Brokeback which was more painful?

Bless you Michael Bay. Armageddon is a masterpiece.

Tuan, what about Brokeback that makes it a masterpiece? I will let you answer first and attempt to keep as an open of a mind about the reasons you present.

(I probably won't be swayed, but I am willing to listen to someone's opposite opinion of mine.)

Bless you Michael Bay. Armageddon is a masterpiece.

tuan69 wrote:

The acting in BM is just stellar. Heath Ledger should have won that Oscar and not that Capote guy.

Ang Lee's masterful direction. Every scene has a point to it and subtlety to it that makes the character's motivations and acting stand out. All of this can be attributed to Ang Lee.

The beautiful score.

Just ignore the man-sex and you will love the movie. It's sublime.

yeah. jake gylenhall is definately one of my favorite directors. but not as much when hes acting gay.

Some movies one shouldn't or can't judge unbiased. If you ever need proof, look at your newspaper and you will find the ocassional review that starts out "I normally hate movies movies..." or something to that degree and then the critic gives it a bad review.

Gee, didn't see that one coming.

I think that is why I haven't see Brokeback Mountian yet. It contains two themes that iratate in ways near beyond words. Most movies with homosexual themes annoy me and adultery themes involving the lead charactersusually make dislike the character pretty fast too.

So I always figured I would get out the way and let those who don't mind those themes in their movies watchand enjoy it.

What bothered me most about Brokeback was its marketing campaign. The way the marketers underplayed the main element of the story in many of the ads to sell movie to the masses was tremendously deceptive. I know many women, some far more bright than the most of the masses, who went in not realizing just how deep the cowboys' friendship was going to go. They left digusted and felt ripped off.

That's also why I haven't seen it, despite liking the screen presense of Ledger and Hathaway.

Bless you Michael Bay. Armageddon is a masterpiece.

Tuan, what were they expecting? I brighter ones defense, I think they were hot men on horses wooing beautiful women that they could imagine themselves to be somewhere in the area of Legends of the Fall. They are dumb girls by any means, they aren't connected to the movie world as intensely as we are (obviously). My wife, who watches mostly movies, would have probably watched in the theatre/ rented it had she not been around me or had been assigned to read the short story.

As for the ads I am talking about, they were mostly 30 second radio spots filled with fantastic emotional words and 'critical praise' that never once mentioned the plot. Fantastic ad campaign. Not very bright film goers.

I mean can you imagine walking into a restaurant and blindly ordering something off a menu, not taking into account what the food is made of? A certain percentage of the movie audience has no clue what they are watching until it starts. Scary, but true. But movie lemmings is another whole train of thought that while interesting, is irrelevent to this thread.

Tuan, what were they expecting? I brighter ones defense, I think they were hot men on horses wooing beautiful women that they could imagine themselves to be somewhere in the area of Legends of the Fall. They are dumb girls by any means, they aren't connected to the movie world as intensely as we are (obviously). My wife, who watches mostly movies, would have probably watched in the theatre/ rented it had she not been around me or had been assigned to read the short story.

As for the ads I am talking about, they were mostly 30 second radio spots filled with fantastic emotional words and 'critical praise' that never once mentioned the plot. Fantastic ad campaign. Not very bright film goers.

I mean can you imagine walking into a restaurant and blindly ordering something off a menu, not taking into account what the food is made of? A certain percentage of the movie audience has no clue what they are watching until it starts. Scary, but true. But movie lemmings is another whole train of thought that while interesting, is irrelevent to this thread.

Bless you Michael Bay. Armageddon is a masterpiece.

i sort of agree with tuan on this one jamey....if i'm gonna watch a movie, i'll spend all of 2 minutes reading a review/synopsis/something-that-tells-me-wtf-i'm spending 10 dollars on....but brokeback was an exceptionally good movie, and well-deserving of every single nomination/win it received at the academy awards....

speaking of ang lee, what's the word on lust: caution?? anyone??

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