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Who do YOU think is the best actor? (*Not who you think will win*)
Juno - Jason Reitman 11% [ 3 ]
Michael Clayton - Tony Gilroy 0% [ 0 ]
No Country for Old Men - Ethan Coen; Joel Coen 59% [ 16 ]
The Diving Bell and the Butterfly - Julian Schnabel 19% [ 5 ]
There Will Be Blood - Paul Thomas Anderson 11% [ 3 ]
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silversurfer19
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StnMan5 wrote:
have to say I agree with you on your point that if something is the best film of the year no matter what it should be mentioned in that category, but not with the recognization of foreign films. I mean the B in BAFTA does stand for British, right? If they're choosing foreign films, what does that say about THEIR movies? 


The BAFTAs have a category for Best Picture, which recognises a film no matter what country it is from or language it is in. In then also has a Best British Category, for which This Is England took the prize. I think this is a sensible way to create catagories; recognising films for a British audience, and recognising films as a whole. It is detrimental to what we believe about our own movies, just accepting that there is a bigger world out there. Hollywoodland would do well to take note of this.

Also, foreign films come into play a lot more than just in the foreign film category. Last year specifically. There were technically 3 movies of foreign origination in the best picture category last year. 2 of them had languages other than English spoken as the primary language of the film. 


I see your point but do you think there is anyway in hell those films would have been nominated if the were not either directed by Clint Eastwood, or starred Brad Pitt and Cate Blanchett. You know they would not have been. They were far lesser pictures than to those in the foreign language category, namely The Lives of Others, After the Wedding and Pan's Labyrinth. If any of those films were in the Best Picture category I would agree that the Academy is changing their tune. But no, unless if there is an American at the helm, or it is produced by a big US production company and stars Hollywood superstars, it would not happen.

Also, this year we have a foreign director recognized for his achievements as well as a foreign actress recognized for hers. So, basically for the most part if the Academy DOES believe something is the best they'll throw it in...despite the tradition of favoritism and rain-check awards. 


Well lets hope this continues and expands further.


Mooreland wrote:
I don't see what everyone is arguing about. You are arguing over a possiblity that has no chance in happening. I mean seriously, whether Rietmen deserves the award doesn't matter, because there is no way he could ever win it. 


Im not suggesting he will win it, Im just saying he's there on merit and has just as much right to win as the Coens, PTA et al.

I think it is either going to take an underdog win with either Ellen Page or Best Picture itself, with me actually leaning towards Best Picture 


I really wouldnt be suprised either. If the Coens get Best Director I would put my money on Juno for Best Picture. You know the Academy likes to spread the love
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Yeah, the Academy sure LOVES to spread the love. Like they did in 1958,1959, 1975, 1982, 1987, 1990, 1991, 1996, 1997, 2002, and 2003. The Academy never likes to give just ONE movie all of the recognition.
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This poll DOES look like it is giving us the finger!!!
Donte77
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Maybe this poll is haunted by the not quite dead spirits of the Coens. They are giving us the finger for even suggesting that they may not win, thereby making the poll moot.
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The poll is about who we like, not who we think will win.. they poll is elsewhere and clearly in favor of the cohens..
StnMan5
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aww...Dammit. I voted wrong. I voted who I thought will win which is Julian Schnabel. But I haven't even seen his film yet, so my real vote makes the cohen's finger a little bit longer.
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Diablo Cody should get shot in the head.

If only she could stop writing and return to her former profession: stripper.
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silversurfer19 wrote:

And your comment regarding the BAFTAs, now man. That's just seems a bit rude, and self righteous in the belief that British cinema is of a lower standard to that of Hollywood, and so does not deserve a look in at the 'big event'. The BAFTAs are, to me, what the Academy should be aspiring to achieve. It aims to be a much fairer board, which would explain why The Lives of Others was nominated in the Best Picture category. Now, I like many others on here, respected that The Lives of Others was one of thebest releases of last year. Where was it at the Oscars...Oh yeah, best foreign language film. Not good enough for Best Picture I see. Language should not be a barrier for Best Picture noms. If it is the best picture of that year, then it should be nominated in that category, regardless of language. It also recognised This is England, one of the most daring films of last year. Where was it at the Oscars. Oh yeah, not even a mention. Then there is Control, again nothing. I could go on. The BAFTAs are to me, what the Oscars will never be. It is definitely an equal to the Academy in terms of quality, and Im sure it is even better in some respects. So don't go suggesting that the BAFTAs are created for British cinema only, and that it is a secondary event to the Oscars. It is a well respected awards ceremony, which because of its location, will never be able to compete with the colossus that is the Academy Awards. 


I really wish I can convince you of my infatuation with Danny Boyle. I mean, pom-poms and high-kicks type of admiration for the man, but your comments regarding the goosebump-like feeling you received while watching "Sunshine" might be more due to the temperature in the theater. There were some scenes that were incredible, but the film went off on a tangent and became a muddled and at sometimes (in the third act) incoherent. Bringing in the evil character put it over-the-top and yet, it managed to do the very thing you'd expect if you're a fan of sci-fi via Tarkovsky's "Solaris". DP Alwin Kuchler is one of my favorite DPs, but the cinematography became too hindered by digital effects and relied too much on key/source lighting at the end. The best shots were digitally-mastered, towards the end.

As for my comments about the BAFTAs, please look at my post. It states, "with all due respect". Considering the Best Picture went to Atonement, as it swept many of the categories, it's lost my respect. So, I take back my statements. No, I don't think that the Oscars need to aspire to be anything, especially the Euro-friendly BAFTAs. I've seen "This is England" and I put "Control" as one of my tops of 2007, but there is a time and a place for celebrating their achievements, and it's at the Independent Spirit awards (though I don't know how much celebrating I'd do of "This is England"). I can understand you being biased to European films, but remember that the Academy Awards were started and exist to acknowledge themselves (a proverbial pat on the back). Therefore, why would you honor films made outside the Hollywood system, like "This is England" and "Control"? That's not going to happen, and I wouldn't want it to even if it did. I think the place you're talking about the Oscars heading is through their nomination of "Atonement", but I - as previously stated - am not amused by the film. I think it's one-sided and tries desperately to hammer its point across - a point that is silly to even think about spending two hours on. I don't even know how to help you to understand why there might need to be a Foreign Language film. "The Lives of Others" was selected (as a surprise to many, including me) over "Pan's Labyrinth". That in and of itself is a great feat. Yet, you wanted it taking home Best Picture. Well, I'm sure in Germany, it did. However, you accuse me of appearing self-righteous, yet you question why foreign films aren't heralded above other Hollywood productions. I'm sure in their respective countries those films are getting their due respect, as they should, but if you gave the Best Picture Oscar to "The Lives of Others" you're not honoring Hollywood - as it isn't a Hollywood production. The only American company, Sony Pictures Classics, helped distribute it internationally.
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friskytiger81 wrote:
I really wish I can convince you of my infatuation with Danny Boyle. I mean, pom-poms and high-kicks type of admiration for the man, but your comments regarding the goosebump-like feeling you received while watching "Sunshine" might be more due to the temperature in the theater. 


No, it really did have that effect upon me. The scene was incredible. I watched it again recently at home, in the middle of a NZ summer, and I again got goosebumps.

There were some scenes that were incredible, but the film went off on a tangent and became a muddled and at sometimes (in the third act) incoherent. Bringing in the evil character put it over-the-top and yet, it managed to do the very thing you'd expect if you're a fan of sci-fi via Tarkovsky's "Solaris". 


I thought the final third highlighted the mental strain the whole crew were going through perfectly, and the evil character represented the true extent of what could happen to a man who has lost sense of reality and taken to believing he is a god. It was truly terrifying.

DP Alwin Kuchler is one of my favorite DPs, but the cinematography became too hindered by digital effects and relied too much on key/source lighting at the end. The best shots were digitally-mastered, towards the end. 


I can see your point, but I felt that Kuchler's work fully translated Boyle's vision of a chaotic finale, with a deperate attempt from the evil character to prevent Cillian Murphy from detonating the bomb. The chaos of the camera work exemplified the dramatic conclusion, and the lighting was perfect for gaining the atmosphere required.



I can understand you being biased to European films, but remember that the Academy Awards were started and exist to acknowledge themselves (a proverbial pat on the back). 


Then dont you think its time for the Academy to progress and move with the times. If they can accept foreign directors and actors in their respected categories, why not for Best Picture. Just because its Hollywood does not mean its better or even more worthy.

I don't even know how to help you to understand why there might need to be a Foreign Language film. "The Lives of Others" was selected (as a surprise to many, including me) over "Pan's Labyrinth". That in and of itself is a great feat. Yet, you wanted it taking home Best Picture


Im not suggesting it deserved Best Picture, just the right to be nominated in that category. If it is one of the top 4 films of that year, surely it deserves to be commended for that. In the same way that people are calling for Ratatouille to be included in the Best Picture category, I believe it is more important to get the best films in the category, no matter if it is American, foreign or an animation. If its good enough, put it in.


Well, I'm sure in Germany, it did. However, you accuse me of appearing self-righteous, yet you question why foreign films aren't heralded above other Hollywood productions. I'm sure in their respective countries those films are getting their due respect, as they should, but if you gave the Best Picture Oscar to "The Lives of Others" you're not honoring Hollywood - as it isn't a Hollywood production


Who cares, its honouring good film making. Isnt that really what it should all be about. Why be so narrow minded so that only films made in Hollywood deserve recognition. the Academy needs to get over itself and realise there is a world outside of Hollywood, and that it is making films which at least match what they can.

At the moment, they seem to feel it is much better to see a foreign film and translate it for an American audience. I felt Infernal Affairs was a much better picture that The Departed, and that in doing so, Hollywood has disrespected American audiences by reproducing it. I would much rather it was recognised by Hollywood and then promoted as it was, not filtered down for an American audience.
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silversurfer19 wrote:

Who cares, its honouring good film making. Isnt that really what it should all be about. Why be so narrow minded so that only films made in Hollywood deserve recognition. the Academy needs to get over itself and realise there is a world outside of Hollywood, and that it is making films which at least match what they can.

At the moment, they seem to feel it is much better to see a foreign film and translate it for an American audience. I felt Infernal Affairs was a much better picture that The Departed, and that in doing so, Hollywood has disrespected American audiences by reproducing it. I would much rather it was recognised by Hollywood and then promoted as it was, not filtered down for an American audience.  


I really don't understand. (Sigh). Yes, I agree that the Academy should pick the best overall film, but I hate to inform you, maybe they didn't think "The Lives of Others" was in the top 4 films of that year. (Gasp!) I certainly didn't think so, but I'm not a 50-year old - like so many of the Oscar voters.

Now, I'm not one of those that loves "The Departed" and I certainly laugh at times knowing that out of all the films Scorcese has directed, he gets the award for...no, not "Raging Bull", not "Goodfellas", not "Taxi Driver", but for "The Departed". It's an okay film - not Best Pic worthy - but, I truly will have to disagree with you in thinking that "Infernal Affairs" was a better version of the film. I might be racist in saying this, but I couldn't tell the two apart - and I love Tony Leung (not to be confused with Tony Long in "Lust, Caution").

As much as it should be, it's not about picking the Best Film in the World, but the best film from Hollywood studios. Why? Well, so many years ago, Louis B. Mayer (of MGM) wanted to create an event to acknowledge his peers' work (but more importantly, himself), while also heightening the glamour and mystique of Hollywood through the press. It has also been rumored that it was also created to help negotiations between crew unions and studios. If the studios acknowledged the craftsmen, the unions could reach a deal to negotiate a contract. Anyway, I'm saying this, not to bore you, but to let you know that that's how it was created and that's how it still is. It exists to award the best from Hollywood because it was started and it is run by Hollywood.

Think of the Oscars as a giant self-pat on the back.

There's currently not an award show that honors the year's best movies from the world, but start one. It can be called the SilverSurfer If I Can Dream It, I Can Do It, Gosh Darn 'it!

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I think we are going in circles here, and neither of us are ever going to agree on what the Oscars should be. I think they should move with the times, and appreciate film as a world media, while you believe it should continue to pat itself on the back. I guess Im just gonna have to carry on dreaming that the Academy will eventually see sense, but until then the very 1st Silversurfers' will be held on 19th April, my birthday (presents can come in the post, just email me and I'll give you the address) and will honour all films no matter their race or language. If its good enough, they will be nominated.

I doubt anyone will take notice, no one will turn up to my red carpet ceremony, but I have a stong feeling that Sunshine will take Best Picture, and I'll be sending Danny Boyle a white chocolate surfboard as a prize.
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silversurfer19:

I don't think we're going to agree. You think that the Academy Awards has to be this celebration of world cinema, when it is American cinema. From Hollywood to New York and everything in between, that's what makes up the Academy and its members. I guess you have to be an American to simply understand the idea.

Why does it have to be the AMPAS? Why can't it be the film comission from some other county, like France perhaps, since it was there that motion picture started. Why the American Academy?

I don't think it should honor world cinema AS MUCH because the Academy and the industry is Hollywood. I think you're forgetting why award shows are put on in the first place. They're all just a self-promo.

It'd be like the UAW (United Auto Workers of America) throwing an award show and they're giving all these awards to Japan/China. I know it's not the best simile, but try and understand that the awards are intended for the industry. The only reason you're watching it is because of the high-profile that comes with that industry. Please also understand that on that night, it's not about the fans, it's about the film industry. The fans get the People's Choice awards. If you work in the film industry, you could get honored with the Oscars.

That's all I'll say about it.
 
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