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friskytiger81
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I haven't really seen anyone's reaction to the supposed final running time of "POTC: At World's End" being 3 hours long. Now, I know that it is a huge film with 2 younger successful brothers, but will this have any bearing on repeat viewings? All I know is that I enjoyed "Black Pearl", the 2nd "Pirates" felt like 3 hours, and without a proper ending!!! (I don't care that it was a lead-in to the 3rd one, it still was a stand-alone pic costing $125M+).

The running time could have huge fantasy implications considering it is the most expensive movie out there. Yes, it comes out Memorial Day weekend, but the longer running time means less showings, which Disney will try and get a around by pumping out 4300-4500 prints. So, get ready for Memorial Day movie houses having 7 showings of 3 films ("Shrek 3", "Spiderman 3" and "POTC 3"). With "Spiderman 3" having a longer gestation period, and it being the first out of the gate, with no competition for the first 2 weeks, it is the clear favorite, in my mind. Icing on the cake: it's not even the second most expensive movie in the game.

Chienfantome
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Concerning POTC3, I think that you should also add that many people were bored and confused by POTC2 and wouldn't wanna get bored again, especially if, as you mention, the movie runs 3 hours long.

Personnally I was bored from the first film, but decided to let its chance to the sequel, but got even more bored, and I know for sure I won't lose my time for the third one. It certainly won't do as much as the number 2.
tuan69
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friskytiger81 wrote:
I haven't really seen anyone's reaction to the supposed final running time of "POTC: At World's End" being 3 hours long. Now, I know that it is a huge film with 2 younger successful brothers, but will this have any bearing on repeat viewings? All I know is that I enjoyed
 


Umm, this could well have a negative effect on it, but to be honest I don't think it will affect it much because Pirates 2 went for 2 and a half hours.

And if Pirates 3 is a solid film, not excellent, but just solid, like number 2 was, then it will do OK. But I still believe Pirates 3 does not have the power to top Pirates 2's $423M.
Hockey405
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Bombs this summer hmm thats should be hard to predict but in all honestly I Seriously think shrek 3 will have a strong opening weekend dont get me wrong its only 81 minutes but will bomb out and make 100 milllion less then the 2nd one.

Shrek3
Lucky You
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Come on why would you wanna open Live Free against what a pixar movie thats suicide on its own Pixar movies draw kids from all ages Look at Cars have an awesome opening weekend.

dranscht
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I would hardly consider $100 million less than Shrek 2 a bomb. That's still well over $300 million gross...
friskytiger81
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Hockey405,
You must have taken too many pucks to the head if you think that opening "Die Hard 4.0" next to Pixar's "Ratatouielle" is the wrong move. There's not many R-rated action films this year. Michael Bay sold out long ago from his days as the R-rated actioneer in "Bad Boys" and "The Rock". Honestly, I think Die Hard has amassed a huge audience since 1986 and Willis looks to still have it. I don't think this will do as well as "Die Hard With Vengeance", but it should easily break $100M. Think about 2 different audiences. Parents will take their kids to see the rat movie, then have Susie babysit them to go see Die Hard. I'd just leave 'em at home with "Bag O' Razorblades".
"Lucky You" will make a modest amount, but there's no way it will have a chance at anything more than $25M because of Spiderman's saturation. He will be everywhere. He already is. I think "Next" will be the first casualty of the Spider.


Hockey405 wrote:
Bombs this summer hmm thats should be hard to predict but in all honestly I Seriously think shrek 3 will have a strong opening weekend dont get me wrong its only 81 minutes but will bomb out and make 100 milllion less then the 2nd one.

Shrek3
Lucky You
Live Free Or DIe Hard

Come on why would you wanna open Live Free against what a pixar movie thats suicide on its own Pixar movies draw kids from all ages Look at Cars have an awesome opening weekend.

 
tuan69
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Yeah I'd be very surprised if 'Lucky You's counter-programming move like the Devil Wears Prada pays off and it ends up making more than $50M.

Because Spider-man 3 will have made $280M in it's first two weeks, leaving the others with around $50M to share.
transformers2
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Lucky You will be lucky to make 20 Million Total. It has a medicore trailer Eric Bana and it's opening against Spider-Man 3. It's a surefire bomb.
dranscht
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I'd say the failure of Lucky You would be more due to the fact that it's been shuffled aruond so much. From what I can remember, it was scheduled for each of these and then pushed back:

September 8
October 27
March 16

And now it's finally found a home on May 4. There might be another date in there too, that I forgot...
tuan69
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Yeah, who the hell wants to go see a movie with Drew Barrymore when a mega-awesome movie like Spidey 3 is out? Go see Spidey people, it's logic.

Plus, I want everyone to go see Spider-Man 3 because I want it to break Dead Man's Chest's $135M record.

friskytiger81
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Trust me, transformers2, it will make more than $20M. I don't know if it'll make much more than that though. The one reason: Curtis Hanson. The man knows how to direct...anything. I know you have an infatuation with Michael Bay - and Curtis Hanson is no Michael Bay.

Just go back and take a look at some of Hanson's films: "The River Wild", "The Hand That Rocks The Cradle", "8 Mile", "Wonder Boys", "In Her Shoes", "Losin' It" AND, lest not forget, "L.A. Confidential". However mediocre some of his films are, they still have a lot more to say than most of the summer releases, including, dare I say it, "Spider-man 3". Eww...I'm gonna get some fan-mail for that one.

It's not that the studios think this is a bad movie, if they did they'd push it up to January or back to September, but they believe that it can find an older audience that isn't fixated on watching "Spider-man"- which I can identify with. It's not so much that this will find that audience, because what the studios can't prevent is that most of that older audience will be too intimidated by the large "Spider-man" audiences to go out and see a little movie like "Lucky You". That's just how it goes. It should be one of those films you watch on DVD months down the road and wonder how this ever got through the gamut undetected.

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Lucky You will be lucky to make 20 Million Total. It has a medicore trailer Eric Bana and it's opening against Spider-Man 3. It's a surefire bomb.  
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Lucky You will not make more than 20 millon even though Curtis Hanson is directing hanson is not that good of a director. also Michael Bay is not a bad director he has only made 2 bad films Pearl Harbor and Armageddon. Also Transformers is going to be one of the best films of the summer and Lucky You won't be.
dranscht
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You should make a wager on that. Last summer a guy at work bet that Little Man would not even crack $10 million opening weekend, and that looked MUCH crappier than Lucky You.

Now, I'm not saying Lucky You will make $20 million opening weekend (though I suppose it could), but I think it's virtually a lock to make at least that in its theatrical run.
transformers2
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i have actually seen Little Man and it was actually a decent movie also Lucky You doesn't have star power to make 20 million.
friskytiger81
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Wow transformers2, I'm not one to hate on others' taste in films, but from reading your writings over a few weeks, I'm starting to sense that you have to have one of the worst tastes in film I have ever encountered. You are THAT guy that helps some of the worst movies make money.


transformers2 wrote:
i have actually seen Little Man and it was actually a decent movie also Lucky You doesn't have star power to make 20 million. 
 
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