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I really don't like the Godfather and especially part 2. They are pretty boring to me. The first one was good, but not great. they are just hard to get through. I don't consider them very enjoyable. And the second did absolutely nothing for me.

"The Godfather" 1 and 2 are incredible filmmaking. Classic in every sense of the word. From Marlon Brando's performance in the first to the star-making performance of Pacino and DeNiro in the second and all the other supporting cast. I don't think it's the best film of all-time, but it ranks up there. I think it ranks up there far greater than "The Dark Knight", but people these days seem to be all about the bandwagon. I don't think this film will hold up in time, not because Ledger's performance is monumental, but because there is little to no bat in the Batman. I love the Joker. I didn't get anything of the Batman.

Buscemi wrote:

The fanboy effect reigns once again.

Yeah. Remembering "Iron Man"......once the effect and the still hyper hype of the hype wears off......there will be a new champion ......

Some of the films you guys are slagging as being unworthy of top ten status... the mind boggles. If the iMDb really wanted their top 250 to be taken seriously they would discount any film from consideration that is not at least five years old. 'Iron Man' as one of the best 250 films of all time? With all due respect to the great talents who made it (and I did like the film), are we out of our f#%king minds?

Yep, the other 9 movies aren't relevant anymore. No one fantasizes about the mafia anymore (Godfathers). That ended with the third Godfather, right? The Holocaust isn't discussed by millions still on an every day basis, right (Schindler's List)? Star Wars is completely dead and no one cares about it anymore, right (isn't a cartoon version going to gross close or over 9 digits)(Episode V)? Gimme a break. PEOPLE liked a movie and PEOPLE voted for a movie. People still quote these movies and reference them just as readily as Pulp Fiction (which I also love).

If they didn't like these movies, they wouldn't vote them that high. A movie from the 40's-70's that gets high ratings from Under 18 and 18-25 age ranges really did something right. Just because you think only newer movies are good doesn't mean that you're the majority.

BTW, I have yet to see this movie (TDK), but if it holds up my expectations, it will be an instant classic.

Newer movies get higher ratings than older ones. That is just the truth. It's because when they were at their peak of popularity the internet + IMDB weren't here to get the best ratings. Many people that love those movies don't have the internet, and if they do, they aren't using it to vote on movies. To me, getting a high grade as an older movie is more encouraging than right when it comes out.

Quake317 wrote:

Excellent, excellent point. I mean the Godfather and Godfather II in the top 5? And Cuckoos nest? I mean come on those films aren't relevant at all anymore, the only ones in the top 10 that still are are Shawshank and Pulp Fiction

Not relevant? The Godfather films are about the corruption of the family unit due to external forces, such as greed. It's an issue that will always be present in society. Cuckoo's Nest is about the idea that there is a fine line between insanity and sanity, again another issue that is always debated (e.g. can autism be artistic etc etc). If you want to reduce a film to its basic plot, and the era in which it's set, then fine, but then you're denying a little thing called theme.

Yes, TDK addressed the issue of terrorism and Western Civilisation's inability to comprehend people who don't work according to our logic and morals, but so does Cloverfield- should that be in the Top 10? I think a lot of you are buying into the hype of the film a little too much. I admit that it's the best blockbuster of the past few years, but I can't see how you can rate it the greatest film ever when there's some glaring problems, such as the pointless Hong Kong scene, or that fact that Morgan Freeman doesn't need to be in the film (he does the same thing as Alfred, and a better writer would have acknowledged that). TDK is not a perfect film, and maybe after a few more viewings some of you will see that.

transformers2 wrote:

six this is a rarity but i got to agree from the 6 or 7 ive seen from that Top 10 they are all better than TDK except for Casablanca wasnt that good yes fanboys for sure are responsible for this.

Tranny agreeing with me??? This is bad, this could rip apart the space-time continuum!

I think those films are definitely still relevant.

But the fact remains... The Godfather is not only a piece of shit, it's a boring piece of shit.

Does The Godfather have a fantastically shot car chase scene like in TDK? No. Thus TDK is better than The Godfather.

To criticize The Dark Knight for having Morgan Freeman's Lucius Fox and Michael Caine's Alfred Pennyworth is pointless in itself. Sure, the film doesn't exactly NEED them, but they are PART of the Batman universe and they do serve a purpose to Batman, so they are not exactly pointless.

The Hong Kong scene certainly can be cut out of the movie. The plot will still be the same without it. But without it, we wouldn't have that fantastically shot nighttime Batman skydiving scene and the brilliant parachute escape. And we also wouldn't really know who Chin Han's Lau is, and in effect we might not have that great scene where The Joker slides down the mountain of money and then later throws a stack of cash at Han's face. It's hilarious.

You could also criticize The Godfather for being a pointless film in terms of affecting one's emotions.

Is The Godfather moving? No.
Is The Godfather thrilling? In some scenes yes, the street bashing scene and the shoot-em-ups. The rest borders on the dull side. The movie takes it too seriously sometimes. All those fucking lingering tracking shots could have been cut shorter so we wouldn't have to sit through a total 3 hour snooze fest.
Is The Godfather funny/humorous? No. That was something that it needed. The characters were unsympathetic so why the fuck would the viewer care if Alpa Chino needed to own the town? We don't give a fuck, just stop walking around the room with an angry and depressed face like a fuckwit and do something that can entertain us. His Italian girl died, but the viewer doesn't really care because Coppola didn't have the balls to show us a sex scene with them. It's cruel to tease the viewer with a hot babe and not have her take off her top. And you also get disappointment from that because that Italian chick was a total babe. Not to mention Diane Keaton in that day, very nice. Yet her 'talent' was sorely wasted. Fuck you Coppola!

Whereas TDK had The Joker, who was a total blast. Let me list every humorous or LOL scene with him in it:

+ The opening bank heist where his goon asks him "Where did you learn to count?" after being almost shot to pieces after The Joker tells him that William Fichtner is out of bultets.
+ His laugh as he enters the mob meeting.
+ The Magic trick. 'Nuff said.
+ "Did your balls drop off?"
+ As he leaves the mob meeting, he threatens them with all those grenades in his trench coat.
+ "Hello beautiful." Parts his hair to impress Maggie.
+ "Wanna know how I got these scars?"
+ "I want my phone call."
+ Mockingly claps when Gordon is appointed Commissioner.
+ Cowardly throws his goons in between him and Batman when they fight.
+ The car chase and the rocket launcher.
+ "I wanna drive."
+ Slides down a mountain of cash and laughs giddily.
+ Nurse outfit.
+ And lots more.

Blah blah blah..... godfather is shit, fullstop.

Donte77 wrote:

Damn Q, you were one of my boys but I have to disagree with you here. I like Godfather but I wouldn't put it on my top 50, but top 100 sure. Cuckoo's Nest on the other hand is one of the perfect movies ever. I watch it a few times a year and it always moves me. How can a movie not be relevant anymore?? Human emotions are always going to be relevant as long as there are humans. Cuckoo's Nest explores those emotions; from isolation and lonliness to rebellion against authority to finding friendship in the unlikeliest place. The movie (and the book holy shit the book) is a work of art with the deranged human mind as the medium.
Some movies, or books, or any type of work of art will never become irrelevant. Art is intrinsic to the human soul, nature, mind, whatever you call it.

Well said Donte. I wanted to add to this conversation by defending the classics but you have already said it all. I too am moved to tears everytime I watch One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest (and was also when reading the book; I can't think of any other book that has done that to me). It shouldn't matter when a movie was made. It is the acting, the emotion it elicits, the power of the movie.....etc, etc, etc. One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, and to a lesser extent (IMO) The Godfather's will always exhibit this. Time can't and won't change that. I think that these movies are in the top 10 because each new generation of movie lovers are going back and discovering this for themselves.

tuan69 wrote:

I think those films are definitely still relevant.

But the fact remains... The Godfather is not only a piece of shit, it's a boring piece of shit.

Does The Godfather have a fantastically shot car chase scene like in TDK? No. Thus TDK is better than The Godfather.

Tuan, I retract my "welcome back".

tuan69 wrote:

To criticize The Dark Knight for having Morgan Freeman's Lucius Fox and Michael Caine's Alfred Pennyworth is pointless in itself. Sure, the film doesn't exactly NEED them, but they are PART of the Batman universe and they do serve a purpose to Batman, so they are not exactly pointless.

The Hong Kong scene certainly can be cut out of the movie. The plot will still be the same without it. But without it, we wouldn't have that fantastically shot nighttime Batman skydiving scene and the brilliant parachute escape. And we also wouldn't really know who Chin Han's Lau is, and in effect we might not have that great scene where The Joker slides down the mountain of money and then later throws a stack of cash at Han's face. It's hilarious.

You could also criticize The Godfather for being a pointless film in terms of affecting one's emotions.

Is The Godfather moving? No.

Oh Tuan, now I remember why Nico got so pissed with you. There's no point addressing your comments on The Godfather. I guess it wasn't the raunchy action-comedy you wanted it to be. But there are far more people out there than not who isn't moved by the tale of an optimistic young man's descent into evil.

Just one point to clarify about Fox and Alfred in TDK. It doesn't matter if they are part of the "world", my point is that they serve the same purpose in terms of Batman's character. Batman Begins suffered from having too many characters and not particularly developing any of them besides Wayne. TDK does a damn sight better, but it still suffers from the problem of Fox. A better writer would manage to achieve what had to be achieved with Fox, but instead using Alfred.

The Hong Kong scene does very little in telling us about Chin Han Lau, it's really just an excuse for action, and to flag the sonar. I personally felt bored throughout it, as it was obvious it was going nowhere.

numbersix_99 wrote:

There's no point addressing your comments on The Godfather. I guess it wasn't the raunchy action-comedy you wanted it to be. But there are far more people out there than not who isn't moved by the tale of an optimistic young man's descent into evil.

Yeah..... boring. There are many parts of the world that is not so bright so to watch something as boring and even crap as The Godfather is just damaging and depressing when one thinks about it. Something like Schindler's List, as sad and depressing as that movie is, the ending is so wonderful and moving that it actually inspires hope in all of us. Learn from history's terrible past and be better for it. The Godfather, a so-called 'classic' doesn't do anything for me. It has no worth except for film buffs to watch it and watch it's craft, as I must admit, technically, when it comes to writing, directing, acting and cinematography it's pretty damn excellent, but as something more than that, it's pretty crap. That's why I think The Godfather is one of the biggest and most overrated turds in the history of cinema. Even bigger than Bono. The world needs more movies like The Dark Knight, a movie so entertaining and great that you just can't help but smile when you think about it. If every child born on this planet is forced to watch The Dark Knight from now on, depression would not exist, less people would jump off a bridge as they would wait for the next Nolan masterpiece.

numbersix_99 wrote:

The Hong Kong scene does very little in telling us about Chin Han Lau, it's really just an excuse for action, and to flag the sonar. I personally felt bored throughout it, as it was obvious it was going nowhere.

That's exactly what it was in there for. And it was fucking awesome.

Who cares if Alfred and Fox's characters aren't developed further. It is not necessary as they do not take up much screen time. This is Batman's story, to further their characters is pointless. What exactly do you want? Batman spinoffs? Alfred Pennyworth: Adventures in Butlering or Lucius Fox: Gadget Man!. That actually sounds pretty awesome. But I don't think scenes of Alfred ordering more wood to finish building Wayne Manor or Lucius Fox soldering would make for thrilling cinema.

Also, he is Alfred, a fucking BUTLER! He knows shit all about electronics and communications, that's how he is in the comics, so if a writer were to somehow fuse together those two roles creating Alfox, that would be what I call "nuking the fridge" or "jumping the shark" if you will. Plus, Morgan Freeman's awesome so is Michael Caine.

A_Roode wrote:

Some of the films you guys are slagging as being unworthy of top ten status... the mind boggles. If the iMDb really wanted their top 250 to be taken seriously they would discount any film from consideration that is not at least five years old. 'Iron Man' as one of the best 250 films of all time? With all due respect to the great talents who made it (and I did like the film), are we out of our f#%king minds?

Thank you.

Some people need to take it down a notch and watch the film again 5 and 10 years from now and see how well it holds up.

GODFATHER is still as relevant as it ever was.

tuan69 wrote:

numbersix_99 wrote:

There's no point addressing your comments on The Godfather. I guess it wasn't the raunchy action-comedy you wanted it to be. But there are far more people out there than not who isn't moved by the tale of an optimistic young man's descent into evil.

Yeah..... boring. There are many parts of the world that is not so bright so to watch something as boring and even crap as The Godfather is just damaging and depressing when one thinks about it. Something like Schindler's List, as sad and depressing as that movie is, the ending is so wonderful and moving that it actually inspires hope in all of us. Learn from history's terrible past and be better for it. The Godfather, a so-called 'classic' doesn't do anything for me. It has no worth except for film buffs to watch it and watch it's craft, as I must admit, technically, when it comes to writing, directing, acting and cinematography it's pretty damn excellent, but as something more than that, it's pretty crap. That's why I think The Godfather is one of the biggest and most overrated turds in the history of cinema. Even bigger than Bono. The world needs more movies like The Dark Knight, a movie so entertaining and great that you just can't help but smile when you think about it. If every child born on this planet is forced to watch The Dark Knight from now on, depression would not exist, less people would jump off a bridge as they would wait for the next Nolan masterpiece.

I used to hear that about CITIZEN KANE, but I guess even that is a far reach for some average viewer to watch. I don't think that you have to love or even like THE GODFATHER, but I question how someone is so in love with THE DARK KNIGHT after only one or two times seeing it. Especially knowing how underwhelming it is in terms of story and action sequences. It has some great things going, but when the Joker isn't on-screen, it falls apart. You shouldn't even mention Lucious Fox or Alfred because where they actually had a part in BEGINS, they are prop pieces in this one. Alfred is literally oiling up Wayne's women. Dumb. I just wonder how you'll feel about the film later on, when all of this buzz and excitement for the film actually wears off. If you're as excited about it, I'd have to wonder. But, I always do.

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